Curse

ManlyMan · May 28, 2010, 12:24 AM // 00:24

@ kanuks

probably a troll post, no one is THAT pathetic

sixdartbart · May 28, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by snaek

its much too late to revoke the bans. what's done is done.

so you keep trying to make the same tortured point in multiple threads why?

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Originally Posted by ManlyMan

@ kanuks

probably a troll post, no one is THAT pathetic

Nope
You missed some of the gem quality threads that goofy had deleted last night.

Sadly I think he is serious.

*Darcy* · May 28, 2010, 12:33 AM // 00:33

In case you have forgotten what you agreed to when you clicked on I Agree, I am supplying a few excerpts from guildwars.com Legal page.
Rules of Conduct

22. You may not use any third-party program (such as a "bot") in order to automate gameplay functions, including playing, chatting, interacting, or gathering gold or items within Guild Wars. You may not assist, relay, or store gold or items for other players who are using these processes.

24. While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

Permanent Account Terminations

Obviously, we do not terminate the accounts of Guild Wars players without cause. We exercise careful judgment in every case of an account termination, and we will use the mark system instead of outright account termination if that seems sufficient to address the misbehavior. However, we will review breaches of the Rules of Conduct and the User Agreement with close attention to the most flagrant forms of rules abuse. In instances like these, particularly when we perceive a risk of substantial real or potential harm to the Guild Wars community or to the game's stability, an account can and will be permanently terminated.

User Agreement

(h) Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NC Interactive. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NC Interactive reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(i) to identify and remove Former Members.

(i) Related Accounts. If NC Interactive terminates an Account, NC Interactive may terminate any other Accounts that share the same member name, phone number, email address, postal address, Internet Protocol address, or credit card number with the terminated Account.

Rolain · May 28, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by Rhododendron

Honestly, will people banned for breaching the EULA ever stop begging for a second chance? You guys got mowed by Dhuum himself; there is no coming back !

I believe the meta for this is "you got dhuumed"

The Josip · May 28, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

You people are ridiculous. ANet needs to invest a lot of resources (read: money) to catch you criminals. Spending that much money to give 2 week bans is pointless.

Moreover, if punishmen for botting was 2 weeks, or even 2 months, and chance to be discovered so low, then half of GW would be botting. If they catch you, who cares, you go to summer vacation and when you get back botting here we go.

snaek · May 28, 2010, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

so you keep trying to make the same tortured point in multiple threads why?

you keep replying to me and asking me questions for me to further expand on the same tortued point why?

fireflyry · May 28, 2010, 12:57 AM // 00:57

The weird thing is hardly anyone has mentioned this in-game.

If I had personally observed people complaining"My buddy got banned unjustly, where the heck did half my guild go, etc, etc" I'd be more willing to contemplate some of the issues banned people have raised but from what I can see the sky is hardly falling.

I'd go so far as to say the majority haven't even noticed this.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by The Josip

You people are ridiculous. ANet needs to invest a lot of resources (read: money) to catch you criminals. Spending that much money to give 2 week bans is pointless.

Moreover, if punishmen for botting was 2 weeks, or even 2 months, and chance to be discovered so low, then half of GW would be botting. If they catch you, who cares, you go to summer vacation and when you get back botting here we go.

The problem with that is that if I boted for a few minutes,then decided to stop and look into the light (way before the ban),and I didn't gain any gold or tittle point from it,and it was the first time I ever try it...do you think I deserve the same ban as that guy that botted for all his hours,got all tittles with a bot,all money with the bot and has 91332243 ectos?

I took back my actions just in time,and I'm sure a few people out there did too...of course,I doubt A-net could have known this so I don't blame them either...Theres no one to blame in my situation other than myself,for those few minutes...but still...a perma ban..

Hyperventilate · May 28, 2010, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I took back my actions just in time,and I'm sure a few people out there did too...of course,I doubt A-net could have known this so I don't blame them either...Theres no one to blame in my situation other than myself,for those few minutes...but still...a perma ban..

I don't mean to sound cruel, but it's a little late for, "I'm sorry."

I do agree with you, though, first time offenses should be heavy, but not permanent. Perhaps wipe the character and force them to start from square one. I do however see the flaw in this idea, but I just think a, "I botted for 15 minutes and got perma'd" is a tad on the overkill side.

Constant botters deserve the ban. Anyone who bots deserves some form of punishment, but to what degree I do not know. I am torn between many feelings, if people feel they'd have a "light" punishment it would encourage people to bot, and how if every botter, regardless of time spent botting got perma'd, it'd discourage it.

Del · May 28, 2010, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

I botted

And that's all they needed to know.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

The problem with that is that if I boted for a few minutes,then decided to stop and look into the light (way before the ban),and I didn't gain any gold or tittle point from it,and it was the first time I ever try it...do you think I deserve the same ban as that guy that botted for all his hours,got all tittles with a bot,all money with the bot and has 91332243 ectos?

I took back my actions just in time,and I'm sure a few people out there did too...of course,I doubt A-net could have known this so I don't blame them either...Theres no one to blame in my situation other than myself,for those few minutes...but still...a perma ban..

doesn't every guilty person say the same thing? "i saw the light, i'll never do it again..." funny that your couple of minutes and some pure bot account owners years of farming have the same end reaction... "It wasn't my fault!" a second or a lifetime all depends on which end of the barrel you stand... the deed was done, you knew upon using the bot this day could come. well, justice served.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Hyperventilate

I don't mean to sound cruel, but it's a little late for, "I'm sorry."

I do agree with you, though, first time offenses should be heavy, but not permanent. Perhaps wipe the character and force them to start from square one. I do however see the flaw in this idea, but I just think a, "I botted for 15 minutes and got perma'd" is a tad on the overkill side.

Constant botters deserve the ban. Anyone who bots deserves some form of punishment, but to what degree I do not know. I am torn between many feelings, if people feel they'd have a "light" punishment it would encourage people to bot, and how if every botter, regardless of time spent botting got perma'd, it'd discourage it.

I said sorry way before the ban...i mean WAY before

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

doesn't every guilty person say the same thing? "i saw the light, i'll never do it again..." funny that your couple of minutes and some pure bot account owners years of farming have the same end reaction... "It wasn't my fault!" a second or a lifetime all depends on which end of the barrel you stand... the deed was done, you knew upon using the bot this day could come. well, justice served.

Same as above...what I'm saying is that using a bot itself shouldn't be ban,but gaining ANYTHING from it should (even drunktard bot,anything) but i gained nothing...and it was my 1st offence.

freedom_razor · May 28, 2010, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Suddenly no one belives in one's ability to correct themselves? WTF are the prisons for then, all prisoners should be just wasted in gas chambers straight away, because obviously there is no chance of them trying to live honest life after the crime, ever?

chessyang · May 28, 2010, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Yes. The end.

quoted for truth!! nuff said

cebalrai · May 28, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors.

It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways. It's not like you can have a bot for everything in the game, and the people who've achieved titles and completions like vanquishing, exploration, and guardian titles must've done it through hard work as well.

I might just be a little irritated that my account has been banned as well, but the worst part of it is I didn't even get a chance to say goodbye to my friends and guild members, whom I've gotten very close to.

Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.

The botters knew for years that they were engaging in illegal activities. Every time they logged in to GW they were reminded of their illegal acts.

So that's probably an average of 2500 warnings per botter. They need 2501?

Think of it this way. If botters only got suspended, they'd just spend their time off scheming of ways to bot again without getting caught.

Good riddance.

~ Angel ~ · May 28, 2010, 01:18 AM // 01:18

This thread is just beating a dead horse...take it up with Anet through support... I vote to please close this.

snaek · May 28, 2010, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by freedom_razor

Suddenly no one belives in one's ability to correct themselves? WTF are the prisons for then, all prisoners should be just wasted in gas chambers straight away, because obviously there is no chance of them trying to live honest life after the crime, ever?

i don't really get it either, but i think it has something to do with being the cheap n easy solution.

The Josip · May 28, 2010, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Same as above...what I'm saying is that using a bot itself shouldn't be ban,but gaining ANYTHING from it should (even drunktard bot,anything) but i gained nothing...and it was my 1st offence.

If you used the bot, you gained something. Explain to me how you can use a bot but gain nothing.
Now what you did with what you gained - threw it away or kept it - this is another issue.

Sure, people who used bot for 2 years and people who used bot for 2 days did not make the same degree of damage. But Anet can't give 200 death penalties to those who used bots for 2 years. It's 1 death penalty for all. And I don't think they can check what exactly you did with a bot, and whether your story is true or not. They have some indicators but that's all.

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Originally Posted by freedom_razor

Suddenly no one belives in one's ability to correct themselves? WTF are the prisons for then, all prisoners should be just wasted in gas chambers straight away, because obviously there is no chance of them trying to live honest life after the crime, ever?

Offtopic but here we go.

* As someone whose profession is law I can tell you this: prisons are a bad practice of modern age. There's nothing beneficial about prisons. Prisons are made by weak people. When you lack courage to kill someone, you put him in prison. Prisons are supported by lazy people: when you don't want to do something right with more effort, choose the easy way - just put someone into prison. When I say there's nothing beneficial about prison I mean exactly that - nothing. There is no study that shows absolutely any positive aspect of imprisonment. Hard labor + death penalty + social work = this is much better system than prison system. Prisons breed bad habbits - I mean, good luck on improving your personality when you're surrounded by scum and criminals. You also don't benefit to the society - you waste resources and don't produce any. Prisons are a byproduct of "polite" "politically correct" mentality. They are not a solution. It's procrastination.

* Ability to "correct oneself" is very overrated. See: recidivism. In international terms, even UN formed a committee after it noticed 50% of conflicts in the world are renewed within 5 years or so. Yes, some people will make a mistake and not again. But some people are inherently corrupt - these people don't exist according to modern age philosophy. In practice, they do.

* Just because you made a mistake and understood it was wrong, doesn't mean everything is suddenly fixed. I'm speaking in general.

So yeah, ideally, you would use a drunkard click bot for a day, ANet would notice you, and ideally you would get that character deleted, or would get 1 month ban, or would lose 100k in gold. Ideally.
But ANet isn't getting payed to be a judge and a jury. With limited resources, they need to send clear message: don't do it. Any of it. If the message they send is "you'll just be banned for a few days, but if we don't find you, you can possibly max out 20 of your titles within a week, with a bot". What kind of message would that be?

So, given the circumstances, instant ban is the best thing to do, unless Association of Botters aggrees to pay real world money to ANet, monthly, so that ANet can properly evaluate each account, and sentence.

Are you ready to pay real world money, to improve ANets bot-hunting and judicial service? I didn't think so.

The Drunkard · May 28, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.

No. The bottom line is that you need to accept responsibility for your actions and stop complaining about the consequences. It boggles my mind to see so many people on guru banned and then complaining, EVEN WHEN THE MAIN THREADS IN RIVERSIDE WERE DEMANDs FOR ANET TO BAN BOTS FOR THE PAST MONTH. You should know better.

This thread is just a excuse to vent frustration at Anet, and I think it should be closed.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by The Josip

If you used the bot, you gained something. Explain to me how you can use a bot but gain nothing.
Now what you did with what you gained - threw it away or kept it - this is another issue.

You gain nothing by stopping it before it even reaches the explorable area.